In my last post I touched on the topic of "Separation of church and State." I'm not done with this subject, as it is extremely important for everyone to understand the history of these words so they may vote accordingly in the up-coming elections.
It disturbs me that there are those willing to change our perspectives based on lies. They can do this because most Americans don't know our history. I am guilty of forgetting what was taught to me in high school, and 25 years later, I'm still guilty of not remembering the date or the name of an event that is so crucial to American Politics today. I have since cleared out the cobwebs in my brain and gathered and reorganized so I may have maximum capacity to relearn what was once a, "Why do we need this stuff anyway?" attitude.
So with this confession a new door opens. A doorway to the past that I may enter and come out a more knowledgeable citizen, recognizing the lies of today. The big lie that is being propagated by the Tea Party, wether unintentional by not being informed or those in the party just simply mislead, is that our politics and religion have become intertwined and tangled up in the up-coming elections.
Christine O'Donnell asked the question, "Where do you find it in the Constitution that talks about Separation of church and State?" Is she kidding? She is right. It does not in fact state those exact words, but words that maybe she doesn't understand. The exact words in the Constitution under the 1st Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." This is fact number one that we are not a Christian Nation.
Fact number two? Well, that would be the little piece of paper known as the "Treaty of Tripoli" or officially called, the "Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary." And guess who the Bey and subjects are? Algiers, a Muslim Nation. This in fact was our Country's first treaty with the Muslim Nation and in Article 11 of this treaty it was written, "As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The intentions of our Founding Fathers is clearly stated in published writings throughout their lives authored by Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Payne to name a few. Their views were transparent and the concept to divorce religion from government was an idea that they all agreed upon. Not only did they agree, but most of these great men did not participate in the Christian religion, but wanted to make sure that no matter who you worshiped, you were free to do it and the government had no say.
I hope after reading this you come out of the doorway with a new understanding and that you too can recognize what the truth really is.
I need a BIG pot of coffee!
Resources links:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer97/secular.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
Well stated with clear facts and references. Of course you realize that the Christian zealots are not interested in facts or references, nor are most teabaggers. Facts get in the way of their talking points.
ReplyDeleteI think I will have a double shot myself.
Well put, ExpressoSelf! I'll drink to that.
ReplyDeleteyes indeed, well done! The Christian right will always and forever try and force their beliefs onto us as a nation. One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all..... see! they take it very literally, the God word. But tolerance of all faiths to live together in harmony is not one of their strong suits. Teabaggers love referring to the Founding Fathers but they don't have a clue what they actually said. Teabaggers don't have time to read they are too busy protesting things like taxes....
ReplyDeleteOn January 1, 1802, President Thomas Jefferson responded to a letter from the Danbury (CT) Baptists, who had expressed concern to him that the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment might not apply to individual states. In his reply, Jefferson wrote:
ReplyDeleteBelieving with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.
In 1878, 1947, and 1948, the Supreme Court cited Jefferson's phrase as an accurate summation of the meaning of the Establishment Clause. Some conservative justices have complained about the legal link between the phrase and the Constitution -- in 1962, Potter Stewart may have the first to point that Jefferson's words actually did not appear in the document -- but there have been no serious legal challenges to the linkage between the Wall statement and the Establishment Clause.
Thus, since 1878, the "wall of separation" has been acceptable and accurate shorthand for the Establishment Clause.
JC- Thank you for the compliment! It's a sad state when facts are no longer an important part of the election process.
ReplyDeleteA round of double shots from the house...
Cheers to you too FT!
ReplyDeleteSue- You crack me up! I love your straight forward, no holding back approach to anything you write. You ROCK! Thanks for stopping by.
ReplyDeleteK- Welcome back! You have given me more history to chew on. The more you know right? My cups up to your wealth of knowledge!
ReplyDeleteThis was an updated history lesson for me. American history and the forethought of the founding fathers is so remarkable.
ReplyDeleteI saw Christine O'Donnell's comments on Rachel Maddow last night. But I have to tell you that I'm really tuning all of that out.
I think the coverage of these folks gives the impression that they exist in larger numbers than they do.
Think about what would happen if they covered the opinions and ideas of the likes of yourself? I think America would seem more like it really is and not such a scary place after all.
Great post!
Thanks Heather for stopping by! Your perspective opened my eyes to maybe try a different approach when viewing what's going on within this election. Turn off the TV!!! Off to get more caffeine...
ReplyDeleteHeather does make a great point. The media concentrates on the hysteria for ratings. It makes us think the majority of Americans are rightwing religious fanatics and really they are not. We are good decent people, well those of us who have liberal loving hearts....
ReplyDeleteIf you look at what happened during Obamas campaigning and the crowds he drew, the HUGE turnout for the big vote, the country hasn't turned against dems in the 2 years in huge numbers like the right would like you to believe. They just have to say things like that so their base sticks by them. I think the country is in for a big surprise on election day. I think dems will do far better than the media has reported. Polls schmolls!!
Am I off topic? Oh sorry, I just had a pot of coffee and I can't stop talking!!
Gotta love you Sue! : )
ReplyDeleteOne other thing I would like to add if I may as far as this christian movement of current and the founding mum's and dad's. First of all ... the church of today and the church of the founding era (so called founding era, because technically the first to arrive here would have been the asian's/ indian's at the end of the ice age) and what christianity America is today are so much different in so many way's. Christian's today would have been tarred and feathered back then because of how they have conveniently so called liberated their way's and readjusted to the time's of now. Also if I may .... the talk about the founding father's and what they were into as far as belief's is so twisted .. there is actually quite a bit of info on the founding father's that hasnt a damn thing to do with christianity and is very opposing to the church, that I wont get into detail here on, but it's out there. I remember one story where George Washington upon entering a church was told he should genuflect/ kneel, etc ... he refused and said he kneel's for no one. Thomas Jefferson wasnt a big fan ... and certainly Ben Franklin (not a President, but very politically influencial) sure as Hell was a big fan ... there is alot more info out there. These fruitcake's of pop culture current christianity, are no different though than fruitcake's of past ... people with phobia's and mental disorder's of some sort in many cases, who simply think they have a direct line to God ... and what ever they think is or must what God thinx, etc. All religion's are is a way to justify any obsurdity or form of slavery, persecution, etc you want on other's ... it doesnt have a damn thing to do with a God or spirit's for that matter, it's politically corrupting as well.
ReplyDeleteThanks for stopping by RC! I like reading what you have to say. I like reading what you ALL say. It makes me feel that I'm not the only one that thinks a certain way. I'm off for coffee...
ReplyDeleteA terrific post, and some of my favorite blogpals all in one place! The absolute ignorance of our history- the reason folks came here, to avoid religious persecution, to keep the government and their faith in two distinctly separate camps - the insistence on rewriting history and our Constitution is amazing. Again, wonderful post and good to see my pals over here, too! Hi, Sue! Hi, K.!
ReplyDeleteHey MP- Thanks for visiting! Also want to thank you for your California voter guide. I'll be using it tomorrow. : )
ReplyDeleteGood read. Strangely over this side of the pond it's all a bit different. You really wouldn't have to twist history all that much, if at all, to prove the UK is a christian country, but if you were to try and run for parliment on a christain ticket you wouldn't stand a hope of getting there (thank goodness).
ReplyDeleteAlso, how disturbing to find your (though as seems clear, not really your) christian party has highjacked tea for it's name - tea is wonderful.
Thanks for stopping by Sandy, and all the way from the UK? I like tea too, but today, I'm off to get coffee!
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